A man of many talents
By Patrick Donovan – Author/Screenwriter
US Navy Disabled Veteran – 1980 – 1991
Seattle, WA (The Hollywood Times) 10/17/2020
“In speaking to Brian I found a connection not only with the fact that we were on Guam at the same time, me in the Navy and him teaching Tennis, but a brotherly connection and that for me tells me everything I need to know.”
– Patrick Donovan
About Brian Distance. A mini biography
Brian Distance is an American film and television actor known for his portrayals as the “tough-yet-honest” law enforcement officer. He has appeared in numerous film, television and off-Broadway productions. Brian Distance is known for his role in the multi Oscar-winning and multi Golden Globe-winning film “Green Book”, his recurring role on NCIS: New Orleans (CBS) as New Orleans Police Department Sergeant Gordon, and co-star appearances on Billions (Showtime), Bull (CBS), Blindspot (NBC), Daredevil (Netflix), The Mysteries of Laura (NBC), House of Cards (Netflix), 30 Rock (NBC), and a host of other movies and television shows.
Brian Distance was born in Baltimore, Maryland. At a very young age, he cultivated his love for theatre and the performing arts by appearing in several grade school and high school plays.
After witnessing first-hand the September 11th terrorist attacks in the Financial District in New York City, Brian left his job as a Wall Street finance attorney to return to his true passion, acting. To further hone his acting chops, Brian graduated from the prestigious William Esper Studio (NYC) Two-Year Professional Actor Training Program. Since then, Brian has appeared in countless feature films, network and cable television programs, and off-Broadway productions.
The below is excerpted from an article within leading legal services provider’s (Axiom’s) website. https://www.axiomlaw.com/blog/a-derivatives-lawyer-and-award-winning-actor-manages-complex-roles
Brian Distance is a thriving derivatives attorney and senior negotiator for Axiom, who works with major players in the financial services industry. However, his career has been anything but linear — and that’s something he sees as a positive. The engineer-turned-lawyer has grown by taking a divergent route, nurturing different skill sets, and exploring multiple paths to build a life aligned with his values and passions, including being a devoted actor. You may remember seeing in the Academy Award-winning film Green Book.
“I do film and T.V. primarily, and I always seem to end up playing a cop, which is funny,” Brian says with a laugh. “Casting directors always see me that way, but the good thing is that there’s always a role for a cop.”
From working in political, real estate, and financial law, Brian brings his deep experience to clients in the financial services industry while bringing his creativity and expertise to the big and small screen.
Entering the liberating world of law:
After earning his undergraduate degree in mechanical and industrial engineering from Marquette University, Brian began his career as a public health engineer. But he only worked in the field for about 18 months before pivoting to legal work. “I realized that engineering only saw the world in numbers and black and white, whereby in law, there were so many gray areas, depending on one’s argument and perspective,” says Brian. “I saw the knowledge of law to be liberating, while engineering was more confining.”
Brian’s journey lead him to Tulane Law School, after which he headed to Los Angeles to practice law at a sports and entertainment firm in the early ‘90s when the city was deep in the Rodney King riots. It was a tumultuous time for many, but Brian eventually found himself disillusioned with L.A. life. Brian then returned to New Orleans, where he went on to practice maritime and political law. He ran several prosperous state and citywide political campaigns.
“I had a spotless record and never lost any statewide or major political election,” says Brian, who was mentored by master political consultant James Carville.
Creating a dynamic career in finance and real estate law:
He switched gears in 2000, moving to New York City and settling into finance law, where his clients included significant banking institutions. Brian spent this time primarily negotiating financial derivative contracts and associated documents. He thrived in this specialty area until 2007, where the type of essential derivative work he was doing dried up. Brian landed on his feet as the founder of his law firm, where he primarily focused on real estate investment trusts and real estate mortgage investment conduits, along with other structured finance work.
“I enjoyed the work, but after almost eight years, it came to a point where the nuts and bolts of running a law practice became too onerous,” says Brian. “I found myself doing more managing than the actual work of being a lawyer, so I disbanded the firm in 2015.”
The stars aligned soon after, when Brian came onboard with Axiom in August of that year. While Brian’s work experience certainly varied, he was always strengthening his specialty area and honing his law skills. Since joining the Axiom team, he has focused on the documentation of various financial contracts relating to interest rate swaps and equity swaps.
“My engagements have involved pretty much handling any financial document that is used by a trading desk for their financial products,” he says.
Expertise to navigate complex regulatory and market change:
As someone who’s spent many years in the trenches, Brian has a firsthand view of the many factors impacting the financial services industry, including the current downturn.
“Since the crash of 2007, there’s been a push toward more regulation and stability,” he says. “Banks have been told to become more liquid so that we don’t have another Lehman Brothers incident so that we don’t have these banks that are too big to fail.”
For the companies that make up the industry, getting their initial margins in order and staying in compliance with all regulations is crucial. Brian adds that since LIBOR is also going to be fading away as a financial benchmark next year, many financial contracts have to be reworked as a result— a challenge in and of itself.
“Another thing to keep in mind is Brexit, which will take effect at the end of this year and into 2021,” says Brian. “A lot of big banks had contracted with British entities to get passport to do business within the European Union, but a lot of them will soon have to make separate financial contracts with an E.U. entity. So, getting a passport to do business is now a mandatory procedure because Britain is no longer going to be used as an access point to get access to the E.U. market.”
From where Brian sits, he is laser-focused on ensuring that clients comply with the new regulations that are coming into effect.
“Another challenge that’s pressing for big banks is that they need people who have the legal expertise to make sure that they’re indeed going to comply,” says Brian, “There’s only a small talent pool out there that hasn’t been picked up by another bank.”
Brian’s flourishing acting career:
While legal work is indeed one of Brian’s passions, it certainly doesn’t stand alone.
“I was working on Wall Street during the 9/11 terrorist attacks,” he shares. “It was something that made me realize that I could toil my life away and just earn a paycheck — and it’s a good paycheck — or do something that I was simply very passionate about.”
In other words, it was a wake-up call to Brian that life is short. Acting was always something he’d loved as a child, so he rekindled his training. Just as he’d gone to law school to understand the legal system’s intricacies, he took up formal acting training to learn the craft. He graduated from the two-year professional acting program at William Esper Studio, all while continuing to practice law.
“With acting, like anything else, you have to be willing to do the work and know your process until you’re flawless at it,” says Brian. “That’s what makes a great actor.”
Brian has starred in several popular television series, including NCIS: New Orleans, House of Cards, and more. Axiom’s flexible model provides him with time to work on his craft, audition for roles, and ultimately grow creatively and as a lawyer.
The Audio Interview
The Audio Transcription
The call was on October 25th, 2020
Pat Donovan: Hi, Brian. Thanks for joining me today. It’s a pleasure. welcome. How are you and your family doing? And just want to make sure you’re safe and healthy.
Brian Distance: Oh yeah, but I’m doing well. I’m thank you for giving me the opportunity to thank you for taking time out of your schedule on a Sunday, on a football Sunday to speak with me.
I hope your family’s doing well too. Everyone here on the East coast is, buckling down and, trying to, trying to figure out exactly, how bad we’re locked down, but otherwise we’re doing fine.
Pat Donovan: That’s right. the Seattle Seahawks were playing, and the Ravens are playing today aren’t they.
Brian Distance: Yeah. The Ravens are playing. The Jets are playing also and the, Jets are winning by one point over Buffalo. So, it’s looking up. It’s lucky.
Pat Donovan: Well, you know, I think the Ravens are gonna do well today and the Seahawks are going to be taking out the Cardinals today. So, yeah, we’re going to have to quick.
All right let’s get right into it here. You were born in Baltimore at a very young age, you cultivated your love for theater and performing arts and appeared in several high school and grade school plays. What was that like?
Brian Distance: I can remember, some of my first lines, in my grade school plays in the first one. I was the King who, had to say that “I was bringing up frankincense offer Hubei.” So I was one of the Kings who, worshiped the on-demand baby Jesus. And that was bringing frankincense up to the alter.
So I had, had to state frankincense to offer by then. I had about four or five singing lines and it was in front of a large, Catholic, school, group of all the parents. that was about when I was about five years old, then a six years old. I had my own kilt and we had a, Gaelic dance that we had to learn.
I learned that and then, after that, when I was about seven or eight, I was still in the same Catholic school, St. Cecilia’s in Baltimore and then my line, which I can still remember, it was “Goodness gracious sakes alive. I can’t believe it by the bus be the Christmas fairies.” And there was a story about where this little boy wished to have Christmas every day and for the next 30 days there was Christmas.
Pat Donovan: So you witnessed September 11th terrorist attacks in the financial district in New York city, firsthand, that caused you to leave your Wall Street finance attorney job and returned to your true passion of acting, not to rehash 20 years of history, but what was it like being there?
Brian Distance: It was crazy. It was crazy. I mean, it was something that you wouldn’t wish on your worst enemy, you know? It’s one of the things where you just don’t know. You see the world as one way. You would expect nothing to really happen on that day and then all of a sudden, your whole world’s turned upside down and then you realize, you know, what, it puts things more into perspective of not really going for the same old thing and just chugging along and just seeing things as normal when you realize, hold on, “what am I really doing here? Is this really where I want to be?” And you just, it gives you a new perspective like that.
Pat Donovan: Man. It, it’s amazing. I remember I was in Ballston, Virginia at the National Science Foundation and all of a sudden, someone said, “You gotta come here and see this!” And when I got to the conference room, when we saw it, the first plane hit and then we all stood there in complete wonder. And then, then trip normally took me what an hour and a half, two hours to get back to, where I lived in Laurel in Howard County.
Yeah, I lived right there, right across from PG County and Montgomery County, right on the border of all three. That trip that day I had to drive out 66 down the Fairfax Connector into Springfield, Virginia, come back up 95 on the eastern side. It took eight hours to get home and nobody could get near DC or anything, but that was a day to remember, let me tell you, man. I know exactly the way it was everybody. It was a flash memory.
Brian Distance: Yeah. And really, I mean, every bridge both in and out of, New York city was closed.
Pat Donovan: 23 Bridges.
Brian Distance: Yeah.
Pat Donovan: Chadwick Bozeman.
Brian Distance: Yeah. You know what? It’s just really… Yeah. And it’s crazy because you did not know what was going on. No one knew what was going on.
And it just really was a place in time where there’s a lot of uncertainty. And it took me so long just to get back home that day. You were walking basically because every mode of transportation was locked down every mode of public transportation.
Pat Donovan: How close were you to the center? Ground Zero.
Brian Distance: Let’s see. Less than a mile.
Pat Donovan: Yeah. That sucked.
Brian Distance: Yeah, yeah.
Pat Donovan: You played security guard Frank Garzero in Nurse Jackie for seven seasons, locked the hospital doors to close down the hospital forever in the series finale, seven season, episode 12. I say a little prayer for you. Tell us about that journey.
Brian Distance: Oh God. Who was great because I remember the first day on set and I went into be a doctor, I say like, “Okay, I can be a doctor.”
They will love you as a doctor. the casting director took one look at me, like, “Oh yeah, you’re perfect for one of the main security guards.” I’m like, “Okay. Security guard.” And then from that point on it all that played our security guards, cops. CIA FBI, some law enforcement. I just realized that’s the case he’s six foot one, black guy, bald head, he looks intimidating.
He looks authoritative. Boom, he’s a security guard. So, I mean, and just working on that set, it was a great cast, was great writing. The main creator was, who was it? Liz Brixius. She was the, she was the main creator, first season. She was the one on set practically every day. She walks up to me.
“So like, yeah, well, hi, how do you? how do you like to show?” And I said, “yeah, fine, fine.” And she said, “yeah. Well I’m glad that, that you’re a security guard. making sure that everything wants that is fine.” I’m like, “what are you talking about to you?” And she’s like, “aren’t you a real security guard for the, studio?” I’m like, “no, I’m just here to guard for, I only play a security yard.”
So, like then she just looked at me, she said, “Oh, then you’re perfectly cast.” That was funny because when I was on house of cards, the, the lead character who played Frances’s wife, who became the president. She thought that I was real secret service, when I was only playing, Frances’s bodyguard.
So it’s just really funny how people would assume that I play a security guard or an FBI agent, because I guess I looked the part.
Pat Donovan: You’re best known for your role in the multi-Oscar winning and multi-Golden Globe winning Green Book, you’re recurring role and NCI S: New Orleans as a New Orleans Police Department, Sergeant Gordon, and star appearances on; here we go: Billions, Full, Blind Spot, Daredevil, Mysteries of Laura, House of cards, you just said 30 Rock and a host of other movies, television shows… wow. A lot to unpack. Begin now.
Brian Distance: Okay. Wow! I guess my favorite time on set, was when I was, in Green Book. Incredible set. I auditioned for, Peter Farrelly of the Farrelly brothers a number of times three, three or four times for this particular role. I had just been for myself in addition by myself and, we, we, we went over the lines about for 10 to 15 minutes. it was funny because when we, when I booked the job, but when I went on set, I was just talking to him and then it walks Viggo Mortensen, Vigo Mortensen said, “Hi, I am Viggo Mortensen.”
And I said, “I know exactly who you are and I’m Brian distance.” So we, played on set for about like three or four days shooting that scene. And that scene was not originally written for a black cop. I did my research and I found out that there was one black cop who was on the Macon County, PD at that time, but no one knew about this until after it was revealed later on. So, I was glad to have brought life to that particular character and, it was a good time. And then, my time on a set of NCIS: New Orleans was incredible. I loved working with the cast and crew. It’s just really good when you see, some of your rivals and working with a lot of your rivals and then, just meeting with the cast, the crew, and just being back in New Orleans and playing a role that I’ve always seemed to play has always been, something that I’ve loved to do.
Pat Donovan: Tell me about before we get into this next section. Tell me about some of the things you’re doing now. if you’re filming, if, because of lockdown.
Brian Distance: I actually still am pretty good. it is, things is slowly coming back to normal. I’ll put it like this. I’ve been auditioning more in the past three weeks than I had been in the past six months.
Pat Donovan: No kidding?
Brian Distance: Yeah, it’s funny because, for the past six months, things in Los Angeles and New York had been locked down.
And they were mainly concerned about getting the COVID tests done and making sure that they are various protocols issued by our actor’s union to make sure that we’re able to work in a safe environment. So, that took about three or four months, five months, and that production just came back about a month ago.
And then casting came back about two weeks ago and now things are going very quickly, whereby I’ve had additions with Blacklist again for the 18th time. So let’s see, just been doing The Blacklist, a couple of other, new programs on NBC, CBS that are starting to film. So I’m very hopeful to get back to work and being on set, those are the main things that are coming up for me. It’s mainly going to be TV episodics for right now, movies are taking a back burner just because of the fact that, that these productions for television pass, they have to come back sooner rather than later.
And movies are only like a 30 – 45-day thing. So they’re able to take more of a backseat. And the good thing is that not only that, but also, in addition to TV, you have a lot of commercials that are coming back online also because people want to. sell their products and the marketing industry is coming back.
And so, luckily commercials are coming back as well. So I’ve had a few good commercial auditions, mainly Zoom auditions. So, you are really going into the casting directors anymore. You do a lot more; self-tapes do one more as Zoom calls and that’s what the industry is.
Pat Donovan: Right. And, you know, speaking of, did you happen to see on HBO max, the West Wing: Hartsfield Landing done in a table read, but stage at the Orpheum theater?
Brian Distance: Oh yeah!
Pat Donovan: I loved it
Brian Distance: I mean, table reads are great because you can work a lot out when you actually, bring life to the script. And when you read it, that’s the job of an actor is to bring the script that, that the writer writes, you personalize it for you, and then you’re just telling them what can happen when you have a living breathing person actually saying those lines and that’s opened up.
Pat Donovan: Here is the next step we’re going into. Do you remember James Lipton Inside the Actor’s Studio? I do a homage to him because I’d love the show. He passed away on March 2nd, this year at 93. And are you ready?
Brian Distance: Uh huh.
Pat Donovan: What is your favorite word?
Brian Distance: What’s my favorite word. Integrity.
Pat Donovan: What’s your least favorite word?
Brian Distance: Failure.
Pat Donovan: What turns you on?
Brian Distance: What turns you on… accomplishment?
Pat Donovan: What turns you off?
Brian Distance: What turns me off.
Pat Donovan: One word,
Brian Distance: I guess people blame themselves or blame situations for their own misgivings or,
Pat Donovan: Like someone we know at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue?
Brian Distance: That could be it taking responsibility.
Pat Donovan: What sound or noise do you love?
Brian Distance: When you open up a beer can for the first time that
Pat Donovan: [make fizz sound] [Laughter] What sound or noise, do you hate?
Brian Distance: Sound or noise that I hate? Air going out of a tire because the only,
Pat Donovan: [making air sound] and it’s over, that’s it you’re done. What profession, other than your own, would you like to attempt besides being a security guard?
Brian Distance: Okay. Let’s see that. I would least, or most…
Pat Donovan: Most like, other than your own, that you would like to attempt.
Brian Distance: I would love to have been a pilot.
Pat Donovan: I have once! I took a discovery flight and Cessna
Brian Distance: Oh really!
Pat Donovan: In the airport over in Germantown, Maryland,
Brian Distance: OK.
Pat Donovan: The air park. That’s it. Go into the air park. You could sign up for discovery flight for 45 bucks and you go with a pilot. He’ll put you in the pilot’s seat and you go up and Cessna 22.
Brian Distance: Wow.
Pat Donovan: It’s so cool. It’s all right, man. I love it. I actually flew a P3 Orion Sub Killer when I was in the Navy. Not that I wanted to, but we were going from Guam to the Cook Islands.
So it’s 14-hour journey. We stopped in American Samoa where The Rock is from. And so I was asking the pilot, you know, what’s it like to fly? He goes, Oh, you wanna fly the plane? I said, no, no, no, no, no. He said I got to go to the bathroom anyway. So he slipped out.
I went in the pilot’s seat and the co-pilot’s on the other side of my right. He says, I got to do is watch this and this and he said, it’s all autopilot. Just steer it. Take your time. It’s 35,000 pounds of hydraulics. Touch it as if it was a beautiful woman. Chugging along 10 minutes. He says, you ready? For what? What do you mean ready? He said, I’m going to flip off the autopilot. Not only do you have to watch that you have to watch this, this, this, this, this, this, and that.
And don’t let the needle go like this. I said, okay. And he did it. And the plane goes, he goes, here we go. [Makes a plane diving sound]. The people in the plane are saying “he’s going to kill us!”
There are 20 people in the back of the plane. What happened was the plane dove cause I wasn’t ready. Pull back gently. The copilot was there, and I’m fly in’ this baby, man. This was so cool. 20 minutes in pilots in the pilot. Everybody else wanted to try it, but it was great.
Brian Distance: Were you in Agana?
Pat Donovan: Yep, Agana Guam! I was there. I was stationed there for two years, 1982 – 84.
Brian Distance: Okay. I taught tennis out there. I taught tennis up there from my, during my summer, between my sophomore and my junior year in college.
Pat Donovan: What years?
Brian Distance: Let’s see. 84 -85?
Pat Donovan: Then you remember the coral that they used on the road on Marine drive because they didn’t have pavement and you would slide all over the place. Like it was ice
Brian Distance: Exactly
Pat Donovan: Unbelievable. Remember the Tanga-Tanga, the weed that if it came here would take over everything.
Brian Distance: Oh…
Pat Donovan: The garbage stuff.
Brian Distance: Oh, the beetle, the, beetle nut.
Pat Donovan: Not, yeah, I remember beetle nut, but yeah, the tanga-tanga is like Blackberry bushes, but they’re worse. And do you also remember the Agana market? It burned down a year before you were there then they rebuilt it.
So yeah, we were stationed over there at the, what is now a building it was a near Camp Covington the Marine Corps, that was, the SEABEES.
Yeah, I was in Navy band. we went to, Yap, Ulitihi, Palau, Truk, and we went to Tinian, saw the bomb pits, but did he go to Tinian and then,
Brian Distance: Did you go to what was it Rota?
Pat Donovan: Yep.
Brian Distance: Yeah.
Pat Donovan: Yep. And we stopped in midway and when I took a flight home from Guam, it was great. And one thing I remember was, typhoons. We had to go to COMNAVMAR and then secure ourselves, man, that Dimension PBX, switchboard. Remember those? We’re getting off track here, but man, this is great. Were you in the military?
Brian Distance: No, no.
Pat Donovan: Okay. Okay.
Brian Distance: No, no. Cause if something comes up, I went to military school back in sixth, seventh and eighth grade back in Baltimore. Yeah. Yeah. It’s really funny story. I went to a military school that was run by nuns.
Pat Donovan: I went to Cardinal Mooney high school in Rochester, New York, run by brothers and nuns. So there you go. So, but anyway, let’s get back on track. What profession would you not like to do?
Brian Distance: Being a proctologist?
Pat Donovan: Yeah, someone else said that they don’t want to do that.
Brian Distance: Yeah.
Pat Donovan: Not a fun experience.
Brian Distance: And, one thing I love about James Lipton, I mean, he had a colorful past, he was, he was, in a brothel for certain. I mean, he grew up in the brothel.
Pat Donovan: No way.
Brian Distance: Yes, he did look him up! Look him up! In France, when he was a teenager. So, yeah. Yeah. I mean, I loved is Inside the Actors Studio. He could really bring out some very interesting facts about the people, which, which is what I really loved about him.
Pat Donovan: This is why I like doing this segment because really gets into about who the person is. And the next question is if heaven exists, what would you like to hear God say when you arrive at the Pearly Gates?
Brian Distance: Hmm. Finally!
Pat Donovan: Yeah. Good, good job. very simple. Alright. This one is what he did best. Now I’m going to turn the mic over to you. Brian, talk to our readers and listeners because I’m going to put the audio and the transcript on about anything, you’d like with the remaining time we have left is 14 minutes.
Brian Distance: Okay. Let’s see. Huh? I believe that you really must follow your own dream. You must figure out exactly what you want to do. And it doesn’t have to be at any point of time or say that you have to say within two years, this is what I want to do, but you always want to. go for what is deep within your heart.
You have to be able to say, well, this is what I’m going to do. Then you have to have a plan or make a plan for how you want to get there. It’s just one of the things where you have to have the ability you have to have the drive. You have to have the perseverance. Perseverance is the key thing that you know that there will be headwinds in your path, you know, that there’ll be obstacles in your path, but you have to persevere.
And the road to success is not really an elevator or a straight line. You always have to take the steps. And that’s really, what I like to impress upon a lot of people is the fact that just because you want to be an actor due to the fact that someone tells you that you’ll be a great actor, that’s not going to cut it.
And there are more pitfalls. There are more low times in going to be an actor because acting is, is a profession of self-discovery, as well as discovery. You have to just to figure out just what’s in you, that you can give to people that people will want to see. And it really is a solitary job because you’re.
Not working more times than you’re working, and you’re always trying to hone your craft or always trying to go and take this class or, or meet this particular person, or you’re always out there trying to get that next job. Even when you do have a job as an actor, you’re always looking for that next one, because nothing is ever promised.
And, the entertainment industry is really a thankless industry because they’re always looking for the next best person they’re looking for the next best thing. And a lot of times it’s really just a lot of perseverance, a lot of, lot of soul searching a lot of, struggle. And that’s why a lot of, actors are so solitary because they feel as if they’re on this journey by themselves.
And it really is. It really is really is a calling. It’s really as a vocation, because if you don’t love it, then you won’t survive in it and you won’t thrive in it because you have to love it. You have to love not only the spotlight, but you also have to love the process and the processes keep the process in learning the process and learning a script, the process and learning the character, the process, and bringing a character to life through the written word as well as behavior is really, it really is a love of humanity and a love of the work that you do that can shine through and can bring realism and personification to the character and it, and it becomes an art form.
If it’s done well, it’s become, it becomes an art form. If it’s done poorly, it becomes a hack job.
Pat Donovan: You know, and that’s so true. And I agree with you the same thing and what I do for a living. I’m a coder. I write computer software and I’m also a screenwriter and I’m learning so much. as a screenwriter from various people, I had my script covered by Heidi Lux, from stage 32.
And you know, I’ve learned from Dan Curry, good friend of mine, seven-time, Emmy winner and veteran of a hundred films. And Steve Longi with Longitude Entertainment. All these people have helped me along the way to the point I’m at now. And I’m grateful. It’s a journey, not a destination and all that.
Brian Distance: Yeah. And then one thing I want to say, I’m sorry to cut you off, but the, the, the business that we’re in, it’s, it’s a marathon.
It’s not as friend I mean the, the people who become famous overnight, it’s never overnight. It’s a process. It takes years. And I don’t, I don’t want to perpetuate the Hollywood myth that, you know, what he came out or she came out to California, to Los Angeles waiting tables for two months or two days and then all of a sudden, some big Hollywood agent discovered him at her and then he, or she became famous that’s never happened.
Pat Donovan: Only in the movies. That’s only in a movie, you know, that’s how it works. But, anyway, I want to thank you so much. This has been an incredible conversation, very informational conversation. And I really appreciate the time you’ve taken with me today.
Brian Distance: Likewise, likewise. I mean, it was a, it’s a great time and, we definitely have to keep in contact because I think that our paths were – we met at a time when we should meet.
Pat Donovan: I agree. Thanks very much. You have a wonderful day.
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